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	<title>Comments on: Enemy Within by Roger Cottrell</title>
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		<title>By: Roger cottrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger cottrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a point of information, Des - and two in fact.  I have certainly NEVER disputed the right of Israel to exist at least within its 1967 borders and defend its citizens from terrorism.  The fetish of so much of the left (rooted in the provisional dogmas of the Baku Conference of 1920 and the Stalinist method of the popular front) of blaming all of the problems in the middle east on Zionism is utter crap.  It was secular Arab Nationalism, during its popular front wth Stalinsm, that smashed the Middle Eastern working class movement to atoms in a process that reached its highest, bloodiest and most disgusting form under the Iraqi Ba&#039;ath.  Islamic fundamentalism, based on the relationship of the bazaar merchant petty bourgeoisie to the mosque, was able to the fill the vacuum only after this process and (in particular) following the collapse of the Soviet Union with all its disastrous consequences for the international balancxe of class forces - no matter how reactionary Stalinism was!

As regards Northern Ireland I&#039;m certainly not an IRA supporter or even a Republican.  My own family are Irish Protestants (with a few heugenots, German Jews and Armenians thrwn in to make it interesting) and I support the Union with Britain completely.  Howver, I also advocate a strong regional democracy in Northern Ireland, an all Irish dimension, long term representation of Northern Ireland in the Dail and (of course) a working class party with a socialist program to transgress all this tribal shit of Orange and Green.  That said, it&#039;s difficult to talk about forming a Labour Party in Northern Ireland when that in Britain is so reactionary and Thatcherite.

However, this doesn&#039;t let YOU off the hook, Des, with your outrageous claim that people of Russian ethnicity who have lived in Osettia, etc., for centuries should be frced to &quot;repatriate&quot; to Russia.  As I said before, I held o candle for Stalinism and a lot less for the passle of bourgeois restorationist gangsters and outright fascists presently running Russia.  Putin and Medvedev are the scum of the earth!  But the legitimate fears of ethnic Russians in the former Soviet Union, like those of Northern Ireland Protestants, Jews in Israel and throughout the region and the various ethnic minorities that make up the hitherto Tsarist and Ottoman Empires must be respected and accomodated as part of a wider settlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a point of information, Des &#8211; and two in fact.  I have certainly NEVER disputed the right of Israel to exist at least within its 1967 borders and defend its citizens from terrorism.  The fetish of so much of the left (rooted in the provisional dogmas of the Baku Conference of 1920 and the Stalinist method of the popular front) of blaming all of the problems in the middle east on Zionism is utter crap.  It was secular Arab Nationalism, during its popular front wth Stalinsm, that smashed the Middle Eastern working class movement to atoms in a process that reached its highest, bloodiest and most disgusting form under the Iraqi Ba&#8217;ath.  Islamic fundamentalism, based on the relationship of the bazaar merchant petty bourgeoisie to the mosque, was able to the fill the vacuum only after this process and (in particular) following the collapse of the Soviet Union with all its disastrous consequences for the international balancxe of class forces &#8211; no matter how reactionary Stalinism was!</p>
<p>As regards Northern Ireland I&#8217;m certainly not an IRA supporter or even a Republican.  My own family are Irish Protestants (with a few heugenots, German Jews and Armenians thrwn in to make it interesting) and I support the Union with Britain completely.  Howver, I also advocate a strong regional democracy in Northern Ireland, an all Irish dimension, long term representation of Northern Ireland in the Dail and (of course) a working class party with a socialist program to transgress all this tribal shit of Orange and Green.  That said, it&#8217;s difficult to talk about forming a Labour Party in Northern Ireland when that in Britain is so reactionary and Thatcherite.</p>
<p>However, this doesn&#8217;t let YOU off the hook, Des, with your outrageous claim that people of Russian ethnicity who have lived in Osettia, etc., for centuries should be frced to &#8220;repatriate&#8221; to Russia.  As I said before, I held o candle for Stalinism and a lot less for the passle of bourgeois restorationist gangsters and outright fascists presently running Russia.  Putin and Medvedev are the scum of the earth!  But the legitimate fears of ethnic Russians in the former Soviet Union, like those of Northern Ireland Protestants, Jews in Israel and throughout the region and the various ethnic minorities that make up the hitherto Tsarist and Ottoman Empires must be respected and accomodated as part of a wider settlement.</p>
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		<title>By: Desmond FitzGerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desmond FitzGerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My my - well I feel I ought to defend myself.  I understand quite well the history of the regions in Georgia and other places. The point being that in order to end wars at some point people have to accept the reality they live in regardless of whether they like it or not.  The reality is that Georgia is an independent country. The reality is that those who claim to be &#039;Russians&#039; first and just happen to be living in a place called Georgia ought to get a grip on reality. 

They live in Georgia and there loyalty is to Georgia. If they love Russia so much then go live in Russia and be Russians but they can&#039;t have it both ways.

I moved to London from Ireland to take advantage of various career and education opportunities and therefore I oew the UK some loyalty for the chances it has given me. If it gets to the point were I ever have to choose Ireland or the UK in some war and I choose Ireland while living in the UK then I think it is right that I leave the UK and move back home.  If I choose the UK then it is clear that on some conscious level I have accepted that I am not Irish - in the sense that my loyalty is not to Ireland anymore even though I&#039;ll always be &#039;Irish&#039; per se. 

It&#039;s the same in the Middle East - pretending ISrael doesn&#039;t exist - when it clearly does - is a case of the Palestinians deluding themselves and until they face the reality of Irael they&#039;ll never get peace - be that peace part of a 2 state or 1 state agreement.

The IRA had to eventually accept the reality that part of Ulster is in the UK - whether they like it or not. Once they did that I think they found it far easier to pursue their agenda of a united island - not in my lifetime I shouldn&#039;t think.

Roger loses the run of himself by trying to make out I advocate ethnic cleansing!  It is that sort of ridiculous comment that causes the mess Georgia is now in.

Yours sincerely,
Desmond FitzGerald</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My my &#8211; well I feel I ought to defend myself.  I understand quite well the history of the regions in Georgia and other places. The point being that in order to end wars at some point people have to accept the reality they live in regardless of whether they like it or not.  The reality is that Georgia is an independent country. The reality is that those who claim to be &#8216;Russians&#8217; first and just happen to be living in a place called Georgia ought to get a grip on reality. </p>
<p>They live in Georgia and there loyalty is to Georgia. If they love Russia so much then go live in Russia and be Russians but they can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>I moved to London from Ireland to take advantage of various career and education opportunities and therefore I oew the UK some loyalty for the chances it has given me. If it gets to the point were I ever have to choose Ireland or the UK in some war and I choose Ireland while living in the UK then I think it is right that I leave the UK and move back home.  If I choose the UK then it is clear that on some conscious level I have accepted that I am not Irish &#8211; in the sense that my loyalty is not to Ireland anymore even though I&#8217;ll always be &#8216;Irish&#8217; per se. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same in the Middle East &#8211; pretending ISrael doesn&#8217;t exist &#8211; when it clearly does &#8211; is a case of the Palestinians deluding themselves and until they face the reality of Irael they&#8217;ll never get peace &#8211; be that peace part of a 2 state or 1 state agreement.</p>
<p>The IRA had to eventually accept the reality that part of Ulster is in the UK &#8211; whether they like it or not. Once they did that I think they found it far easier to pursue their agenda of a united island &#8211; not in my lifetime I shouldn&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>Roger loses the run of himself by trying to make out I advocate ethnic cleansing!  It is that sort of ridiculous comment that causes the mess Georgia is now in.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,<br />
Desmond FitzGerald</p>
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